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Rules proposals online

Postby nateh » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:47 pm

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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby nateh » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:10 pm

The Google workbook has been updated to reflect decisions made at the October meeting of the Board of Directors.

Please note that the workbook contains 6 tabs:
General - Sections I-VII
Showroom Stock
Street Touring
Street Prepared
Prepared
SS and ST Classifications

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuWYq4jaXlrddGRYd09uNGYzTm4zbFN6RHJiYUkxdmc&hl=en_US#gid=0

We will continue 2012 Rules discussions at the November meeting.
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby brucesallen » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:08 pm

Really nice job, Nate!
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby brucesallen » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:13 pm

Rules voting tonite at Board/members meeting!
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby nateh » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:11 pm

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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby paultg » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:08 pm

Thanks Nate!
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby nateh » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:40 pm

Updated as of Dec 19 meeting - same link.
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby betelgeuse » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:27 pm

Am I reading this ruling right? The Ariel Atom is now being allowed to run in Showroom Stock :shock:
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby dradernh » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:59 pm

betelgeuse wrote:Am I reading this ruling right? The Ariel Atom is now being allowed to run in Showroom Stock :shock:

If that's the case, I want that so-called Nissan 240 that ran at the Glen in PB to be slotted into SS as well. :lol:
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby Mark Swinehart » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:59 pm

The Ariel Atom 2 and 3 starts "life" in Showroom Stock Unlimited (SSU) and would move to Street Touring GT (STGT) with modifications.
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby nateh » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:06 pm

It does not have the highest power to weight ratio in that class.
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby breakaway500 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:19 pm

Personally,I don't agree with the ruling. :shock: However,I can assure SSU competitors not to fear a stock Atom in their class :lol: :sunny:
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby betelgeuse » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:24 pm

nateh wrote:It does not have the highest power to weight ratio in that class.


Thats not the point. It's a kit car built for the sole purpose of running on the track. It doesn't come with a VIN and it doesn't pass any federal safety or emissions standards.
From the AA web site;
" The Ariel Atom 3 is a unique and limited hand-built, high performance motor vehicle. All new Ariel Atom 3s sold within the North American market are partially or fully assembled in the USA by TMI AutoTech, Inc. (‘TMI’). Ariel Atom 3s are built and sold by TMI AutoTech, Inc. for the purposes of off-road/competition use (i.e., organized or private track day; slalom; Solo 1 events, etc.). Ariel Atom 3s are not considered to be federalized, production vehicles and do not necessarily meet applicable FMVSS criteria. Therefore, Ariel Atom 3s are not available with 17-digit VIN or PIN numbers....."

The first line of the COM rules for SS is; The Showroom Stock (SS) category is intended to provide competition for mass produced stock automobiles.
I would hardly call the AA mass produced.

I guess with this ruling you have to let all the kit cars in SS.
Big can of worms IMO.

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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby savage217 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:13 am

I agree 100% with Greg's information. Makes no sense at all to let an Ariel atom into SSU. Should be in Prepared.
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Re: Rules proposals online

Postby McMahonRacing » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:24 am

Lumping "All Kit Cars" into any one group is actually a bad idea ( just think where I could stick the Cobra if I tossed the winsheild, wiper assy & front plate on the car ) ..... just as they have done, evaluate them on a case by case basis, make an edcuated guess as to it's best fit & see what happens, then make any adjustments the follwoing year .... not a bad plan ....

Classing by hp/weight w/ aero / mod penalities is basically what NASA does and from what I can tell it works out quite well ...... but, personally we ought to just stop classing cars as we do now and base the entire process ( including practice sessions ) on "lap time" history for each driver / car .... in this fashion no one driver can walk away from the group and win every event ( or run all over other drivers in practice sessions ) keeping things competative & iteresting for all ( basically you win tto much you move up a time class or weight get's added to keep things a bit more equal ) ....

And trust Mark, if he says the SSU cars have nothing to worry about from a stock AA, he is most likely right, considering he is the only one that ownes one in the club that I know of & it's never "stock" .....
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